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we interrupt this program for a special

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incredible as it may seem

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both the observations of science and the

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evidence of our eyes lead to the

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inescapable assumption that those

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strange beings who landed in the jersey

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farmlands tonight are the vanguard of an

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invading army from the planet Mars

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mysteries surrounding

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captivate us and a Loris joined Shawn

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for kur and launched strickler's they

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take you beyond the edge and into the

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arcane investigating myth legends and

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modern mysteries explored the strange

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the arcane and good evening folks

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welcome back arcane radio I'm Sean the

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fork chopped for kur joined with butch

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wachowski and launched Strickler and our

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special guests tonight Tim Beck Lee and

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miss Claudia we're going to be talking

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about some very strange happening so

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guys thanks for joining us tonight

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I got a copy of your book right here

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cryptid creatures from dark domains and

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I'm excited too let's get to it good and

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Butch how are you this evening

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I'm fine Tim how are you doing hanging

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in here hanging in the air with all

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kinds of craziness and sounds in my ear

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but well we're waiting on going we're up

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we're up and alive and we're ready to go

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deep into the woods I'm ready well

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apparently in the book you're seeing the

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devil butchers I'm looking at you right

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here this lovely photograph that I also

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use of Butch wachowski in the book on

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page 7 so let's start from the top Tim

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our listeners might not be too familiar

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with you and if they are fantastic but

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I'm not tell me a little bit about

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yourself and then Claudia will do the

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same for you oh boy you got an hour a

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discussion right there well let me see I

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got involved in all of this well the

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house I was raised in had pulled a guy's

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phenomena you know lights going on and

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house there and we we found that later

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on that there had been a oh I guess a an

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epidemic like typhoid epidemic right

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after World War one and there was a

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woman who had given them birth to a baby

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and died within a couple of days and

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they had awake with both of them in the

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same coffin so we assumed if one

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believes in the paranormal aspect of

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ghosts and so forth spirits that this

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might have been them coming back or

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haunting in the place but perhaps the

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most relevant thing was when I was a 10

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over all these years you know I'm

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probably have more but I have a small

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publishing company called inner light

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global communications we have about 250

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books published over a period of almost

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half a century authors like Brad Steiger

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tea lamps and Krampus Shawn Castile

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myself and a multitude of others and we

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have a youtube channel which is mr. UFO

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secret file our own weekly podcast which

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is exploring the bizarre and kco our

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radio I organized some of the first the

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UFO conferences around the country and

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have been involved in putting out many

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many UFO journals and magazines which

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sold on the newsstand but going back to

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we were in the middle of a summer UFO

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where I was seated on the front porch of

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my parents home in New Jersey which was

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seated and pointed out two objects in

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an abandoned factory building and one

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was right above the the house where I

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was living with my parents and these

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20 minutes and then the one across the

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street just blinked out like somebody

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the following day there was an item in

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the paper that other people had

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saying that it was nothing more

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intelligent control it wasn't something

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and they published it and I asked for

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people to share their sightings and all

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the reports and calling on the the

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telephone and I started putting out a

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little newsletter started out printing

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75 copies of the first issue it was ten

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larger publisher it was 50 pages long

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those days was was quite a bit in fact

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we had as many subscribers as appro

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which is the second largest UFO group

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had had members so I've traveled all

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over the world investigating UFOs

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talking to people who have had

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experiences on the subject some people

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may think I have a rather radical

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viewpoint on this and and my viewpoints

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are subject to change you know over over

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time I I guess when I first started out

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my concept were that these were all are

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tend to discredit that theory today to a

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to an extent I think that some of these

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objects are made right here on earth

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advanced technology perhaps a part of a

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secret space program or a program that

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was started in affiliation with the Nazi

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German scientists that came over here

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of project paper clip and I think that a

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lot of the early UFO sightings at least

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were covered up by the government

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are so simply you US citizens to know

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that they were in collaboration with

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Nazi sympathizers and and that's kind of

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Anna in a nutshell my my background in

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and like I say I've traveled all over

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the world I spoke at the

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House of Lords in England they had a UFO

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a group they were a way ahead of

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friend the Earl of Cheryl of clan cardi

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Brinsley Laporte wrench and he was a

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this UFO group and they were trying to

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findings on UFOs of course there were

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maybe about 25 or 30 years too early but

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eventually of course a lot of those

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reports were released and I continued my

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investigation of my publishing today and

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semi-retired I'm probably more active

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investigators altogether the group met

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other month or so I think they had about

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a hundred members from both the House of

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Lords and Parliament some of whom were

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not even believers but you know even the

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United Nations here for many years had

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an unofficial UFO a group I don't

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active any longer but there was a

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meeting hall you across the street cuz I

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remember one time somebody rented it for

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a wedding he would see it you know like

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it you and the reception hall or

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something and they had the they had

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meeting rooms and so if you were you

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know involved in the u.s. UN in in some

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function and of course if thousands of

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employees from all over the world you

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think of Under the Sun but they had a

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paranormal group and they had a UFO

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group and and they invited speakers to

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they endorsed them it certainly was not

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sanctioned by the world body itself but

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more interested than others interesting

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colonia then you're known as the MIB

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lane that start well you know let me

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the unknown because it's so much more

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exciting than the dull material world

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pajama parties for my little friends and

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these stories to scare them to death and

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I'd get in trouble and I always believed

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a monster lived in my closet like a lot

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of little kids do but what doesn't it

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think that's the story for another day

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mature but not that much more mature my

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why you know what is it what's it all

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about Alfie you know why why just where

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just somebody who had a whole lot of

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questions and it took me into some very

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strange terrain but what happened in

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Manhattan halfway between New York City

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and Montreal she called me one day and

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she said you know you're probably one of

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the crazier people I know and you're

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probably the only person I could tell

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this to who won't laugh at me but she

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said I went to the albany rural cemetery

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on a beautiful afternoon last week and

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she said what happened to me was so

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shocking and she said I don't know what

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to do about it so I kind of helped her

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through it but she actually saw a black

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completely black looked like it was just

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rolled out of the showroom huge big

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black tires everything tinted windows

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and she said Oh My heavens you know I'm

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going to be attacked or robbed or worse

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so she said then I got kind of mad you

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know where are they doing this to me so

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she's looking in the mirror the whole

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time and instead of you know the vehicle

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trying to you know keep pace with her it

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point where she saw it take a right down

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the hill there was nothing there but a

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chain-link fence with a lot of graves on

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the other side so she turned around and

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went out the way that she came in which

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was a big black macadam Road it should

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come into this huge old cemetery it

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looks like something out of a monster

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movie and here in the middle of the

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macadam road was a black this black SUV

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with a man in black he had black

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wraparound sunglasses all in black she

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said it looked like his clothes just

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came out of a you know from Macy's a

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brand new clothing black patent-leather

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shoes everything black even black hair

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and she said I looked at him and he gave

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me the creepiest smile and she said as I

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pushed Nick I know beyond this vehicle I

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looked in the mirror and it completely

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blinked out so that got me investigating

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the whole subject of men in black and

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what I found was the cemetery is a

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virtual Disneyland of paranormal

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activity and three months later I had my

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own man in black experience at a

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shopping center in a little town called

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Del Mar New York I had my late mother

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and my dog in the car with me and I went

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into the dollar store and I

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left him in the car and of course I was

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all psyched up over this Linda thing

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because I had I had read Kim Beckley's

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excellent book on the men in black you

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know several years before and I thought

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you know this sounds like one of these

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guys that Kim wrote about so I pulled up

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went in got my purchase got back in the

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car and this little creepy man came out

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of the back kind of like from the

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parking lot and it was a big black van

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parked next to the car and I said to my

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mother gee that that looks like

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something one of those men that Linda

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saw might drive well this little guy was

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a pork pie hat like something out of a

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1940's

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crime movie you know that like the

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fedora type while in black where he

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stuck his head in the window and he said

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hello like just oh my god and then he

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walked in front of the car took a couple

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of steps turned around and kind of put

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his glasses down and looked over the top

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of his glasses and it was the creepiest

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look I've ever seen in my life he did

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not belong there he came out of nowhere

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it's my that town is loaded with I call

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them it's like a yuppie haven you know

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little you know very normal looking

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people this guy did not fit there and I

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always regretted not following him

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because he did not look right he just

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did not and so I I wrote a letter

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emailed Kim Beckley I mean who has been

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kind of a hero to me since maybe the

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early 70s when I started to get some of

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his publications because I remembered

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the book that I had about the men in

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black and I I wanted to know what he

342
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thought of all this crazy stuff and he

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liked my letter and he asked me to go on

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coast-to-coast am with George Noory and

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tell my tale and that kind of kicked off

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nice friendship with Tim he's come up to

347
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Albany several times we've gone to the

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cemetery shot footage and lo and behold

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I found out that charles fort the father

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of the paranormal movement in america is

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buried there so that really blew my mind

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so that's how I kind of got into

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all this craziness and I've been on the

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road of the strange ever since that's

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all right I tell you I read your

356
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accountant about the albany rural

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cemetery i didn't realize the place was

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that big but some of the stuff that goes

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on there is pretty interesting i saw the

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videos and then i read you know I've

361
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read your segments in the book it's very

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interesting I I am definitely gonna make

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a stop if I ever go up there because you

364
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know I know you know I actually knew the

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Chester authors buried there but I knew

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that Charles fort was buried there there

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within a stone's throw almost are they

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not too far not too far away I know in

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fact the entire charles fort family is

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buried there i guess most people are a

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lot of people were under the impression

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that he lived in britain but he did a

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part he spent part of his life there but

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his family claudia my correct was from

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the Albany area yes yes he was born in

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Albany yeah and there are nine I believe

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tombstones representing members of his

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his family but some of the things that

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have happened there of course we're all

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interested in the cryptids have been

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pretty bizarre I mean how many sightings

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of these hellhounds do you think have

383
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been made there oh well okay what I

384
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found through some investigation and one

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my niece who is also very interested in

386
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this stuff when she was going to college

387
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she took the bus up to Hudson Valley

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Community College and every morning

389
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there would be a young guy on the bus

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and they kind of became friends and he

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was the caretaker and Albany rural and

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he actually opened up the cemetery in

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the morning before dawn actually and she

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said oh my god how aren't you afraid to

395
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go in there and he goes no he said as a

396
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matter of fact I see a ghost every other

397
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day and so I mean she was flourish this

398
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is what do you mean and he said well

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I'll go in I'll open up the gates and

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I'll be you know taking the flowers off

401
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the grave

402
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mowing or whatever and all of a sudden I

403
00:19:18,440 --> 00:19:16,799
know when she is going to appear and she

404
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says I turn around and here's this

405
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little old lady all in black and she

406
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walks right past him within like five

407
00:19:28,070 --> 00:19:25,860
feet and she just very quietly nods and

408
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she says good morning and he'll say good

409
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morning and he'll turn around and she'll

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be gone so that that's one thing but

411
00:19:40,669 --> 00:19:36,510
there are reports even to this day as I

412
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am now finding out that if it's usually

413
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at dusk and now Albany rural like I said

414
00:19:49,580 --> 00:19:47,220
it's like going to Disneyland uh nasod

415
00:19:52,610 --> 00:19:49,590
if you're in it's just completely crazy

416
00:19:55,850 --> 00:19:52,620
in there a lot of activity but when

417
00:19:58,070 --> 00:19:55,860
people are walking their dog down this

418
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macadam Road which is the main road into

419
00:20:03,950 --> 00:20:00,299
the cemetery and it's it's huge it

420
00:20:05,899 --> 00:20:03,960
really is it goes back to the 1600s then

421
00:20:07,850 --> 00:20:05,909
the lights go on they have what

422
00:20:10,520 --> 00:20:07,860
streetlights in the cemetery and the

423
00:20:12,020 --> 00:20:10,530
main road and they'll be walking their

424
00:20:14,480 --> 00:20:12,030
dog and this one lady had a little

425
00:20:16,490 --> 00:20:14,490
poodle and all of a sudden out the

426
00:20:19,610 --> 00:20:16,500
corner of her eyes she'll see this huge

427
00:20:22,399 --> 00:20:19,620
dog bigger than a Great Dane and it's

428
00:20:25,159 --> 00:20:22,409
all black it has a red cast to his eye

429
00:20:26,960 --> 00:20:25,169
and it'll pace the people all the way

430
00:20:30,830 --> 00:20:26,970
until they leave it doesn't do anything

431
00:20:32,390 --> 00:20:30,840
it just looks at them and the dog the

432
00:20:34,760 --> 00:20:32,400
people who have the dogs on the leash

433
00:20:37,480 --> 00:20:34,770
they don't react which is really weird

434
00:20:41,419 --> 00:20:37,490
to me because you hear about animals

435
00:20:43,640 --> 00:20:41,429
sensing the paranormal they sense the

436
00:20:47,480 --> 00:20:43,650
spirit world they they growl they cower

437
00:20:50,659 --> 00:20:47,490
they they crow under the bed but nothing

438
00:20:54,190 --> 00:20:50,669
and that Jane happens so this is going

439
00:20:59,840 --> 00:20:54,200
on even right now another thing back in

440
00:21:01,820 --> 00:20:59,850
1809 the cemetery is located in a little

441
00:21:04,970 --> 00:21:01,830
town called minions New York which is

442
00:21:07,250 --> 00:21:04,980
like two miles out of Albany proper out

443
00:21:09,500 --> 00:21:07,260
of the city of Albany and right below

444
00:21:13,250 --> 00:21:09,510
minions is another little town called

445
00:21:17,630 --> 00:21:13,260
Waterville eat and apparently back in

446
00:21:19,970 --> 00:21:17,640
the 1800s a man was on a kind of a

447
00:21:22,220 --> 00:21:19,980
buckboard like a you know wagon was a

448
00:21:24,230 --> 00:21:22,230
horse and the horse got spooked and he

449
00:21:25,039 --> 00:21:24,240
started to run down Broadway in the

450
00:21:27,560 --> 00:21:25,049
direction of the

451
00:21:29,869 --> 00:21:27,570
Metiria the man jumped off and the horse

452
00:21:33,080 --> 00:21:29,879
ran into the cemetery and crashed into

453
00:21:37,039 --> 00:21:33,090
the home of the superintendent who has a

454
00:21:40,190 --> 00:21:37,049
little cottage there and died it was

455
00:21:41,810 --> 00:21:40,200
killed and for even up until now on

456
00:21:44,419 --> 00:21:41,820
certain nights of the week over the year

457
00:21:46,759 --> 00:21:44,429
people see this horse walking around the

458
00:21:48,499 --> 00:21:46,769
building and if they approach it it will

459
00:21:53,060 --> 00:21:48,509
just melt away

460
00:21:54,739 --> 00:21:53,070
it'll just vanish away so now there are

461
00:21:58,159 --> 00:21:54,749
other things that go on there if I just

462
00:22:00,919 --> 00:21:58,169
could quickly tell you at dusk there is

463
00:22:03,470 --> 00:22:00,929
a couple who hold hands and float over

464
00:22:08,539 --> 00:22:03,480
the tombstones and their pajamas how

465
00:22:11,269 --> 00:22:08,549
romantic yes and there's a big pond

466
00:22:14,539 --> 00:22:11,279
actually it's right almost at the foot

467
00:22:15,859 --> 00:22:14,549
of Charles Ford's grave a very pretty

468
00:22:18,259 --> 00:22:15,869
pond people go up there they have

469
00:22:20,060 --> 00:22:18,269
picnics in the daytime people jog they

470
00:22:23,690 --> 00:22:20,070
walk their dog it's a beautiful place

471
00:22:27,229 --> 00:22:23,700
and that's another time at you know in

472
00:22:29,960 --> 00:22:27,239
the fall toward the end of like maybe

473
00:22:31,570 --> 00:22:29,970
toward what do they say the Halloween

474
00:22:35,409 --> 00:22:31,580
season late you know late in the fall

475
00:22:38,259 --> 00:22:35,419
people will see an old funeral

476
00:22:41,419 --> 00:22:38,269
procession going around the pond and

477
00:22:44,149 --> 00:22:41,429
ladies have the dark veils they're all

478
00:22:47,779 --> 00:22:44,159
dressed in mourning clothes and there's

479
00:22:50,659 --> 00:22:47,789
a casket in a wagon drawn by two black

480
00:22:53,899 --> 00:22:50,669
horses and if you approach it it will

481
00:22:55,970 --> 00:22:53,909
just fade away they don't hurt anybody

482
00:22:59,029 --> 00:22:55,980
but you know they they like to be seen

483
00:23:01,820 --> 00:22:59,039
apparently there show up well you know

484
00:23:04,820 --> 00:23:01,830
let me tell you my MIB story I would

485
00:23:07,220 --> 00:23:04,830
come into Manhattan every day and we

486
00:23:08,960 --> 00:23:07,230
were getting this was the around the

487
00:23:12,590 --> 00:23:08,970
time of the marsh gas sightings in

488
00:23:14,899 --> 00:23:12,600
Michigan and there were the news media

489
00:23:18,859 --> 00:23:14,909
was full of reports of UFOs it was one

490
00:23:23,029 --> 00:23:18,869
of the real peak years for UFO sightings

491
00:23:26,509 --> 00:23:23,039
in North America there was 1952

492
00:23:30,830 --> 00:23:26,519
well 1947 of course the first flap 1950

493
00:23:33,700 --> 00:23:30,840
to 1957 that is skipped about that 10 10

494
00:23:37,460 --> 00:23:33,710
years and we were in the middle like a

495
00:23:41,360 --> 00:23:37,470
summer a wave of UFO sightings

496
00:23:43,940 --> 00:23:41,370
one of the incidents that we had heard

497
00:23:47,090 --> 00:23:43,950
about involved a group of teenagers I

498
00:23:51,200 --> 00:23:47,100
think for teenage boys who had seen an

499
00:23:54,620 --> 00:23:51,210
object land in a park in Passaic New

500
00:23:56,860 --> 00:23:54,630
Jersey and apparently several small

501
00:23:59,450 --> 00:23:56,870
creatures got out of the craft and

502
00:24:02,080 --> 00:23:59,460
scurried around and did whatever small

503
00:24:05,570 --> 00:24:02,090
creatures that come out of crafts do and

504
00:24:07,850 --> 00:24:05,580
they were very excited what teenage boy

505
00:24:11,149 --> 00:24:07,860
wouldn't be they didn't have any

506
00:24:13,549 --> 00:24:11,159
Nintendo in those days right so they

507
00:24:15,230 --> 00:24:13,559
were very excited about this Yule and it

508
00:24:18,289 --> 00:24:15,240
UFO and the little men that they had

509
00:24:21,980 --> 00:24:18,299
seen scurrying around it so they called

510
00:24:25,940 --> 00:24:21,990
the oh I guess a local researcher by the

511
00:24:28,010 --> 00:24:25,950
name of John J Robinson and he was an

512
00:24:29,539 --> 00:24:28,020
assistant editor for saucer knew zero

513
00:24:32,779 --> 00:24:29,549
wasn't a full-time job he would just

514
00:24:35,180 --> 00:24:32,789
send in reports and occasionally from

515
00:24:38,539 --> 00:24:35,190
time to time Jim Mosely the publisher

516
00:24:40,190 --> 00:24:38,549
and John would be on the lawn John

517
00:24:42,110 --> 00:24:40,200
Neville the show and they would bring up

518
00:24:45,380 --> 00:24:42,120
all these reports and so forth

519
00:24:47,870 --> 00:24:45,390
well anyway several weeks after the

520
00:24:49,730 --> 00:24:47,880
sighting they had a meeting with the

521
00:24:52,730 --> 00:24:49,740
teenage boys just on the perimeter of

522
00:24:55,310 --> 00:24:52,740
the park to discuss and take down notes

523
00:24:57,200 --> 00:24:55,320
about what they had seen and the boys

524
00:24:59,990 --> 00:24:57,210
described in detail the landing of this

525
00:25:01,549 --> 00:25:00,000
craft and the little men that scurried

526
00:25:04,149 --> 00:25:01,559
around they seemed to be dressed in some

527
00:25:07,730 --> 00:25:04,159
sort of uniform

528
00:25:09,680 --> 00:25:07,740
they looked humanoid in appearance they

529
00:25:12,110 --> 00:25:09,690
were smaller than any earth person but

530
00:25:13,669 --> 00:25:12,120
they didn't you know look monstrous and

531
00:25:17,360 --> 00:25:13,679
they didn't have wings or horns or

532
00:25:19,580 --> 00:25:17,370
anything like that so they noticed while

533
00:25:22,549 --> 00:25:19,590
they were interviewing two teenagers off

534
00:25:24,830 --> 00:25:22,559
about a block away on the perimeter of

535
00:25:27,320 --> 00:25:24,840
the park there was a big old black

536
00:25:30,710 --> 00:25:27,330
Cadillac sitting there and it had a

537
00:25:33,770 --> 00:25:30,720
partially lowered window on it and the

538
00:25:36,440 --> 00:25:33,780
the glasses were all you know blacked

539
00:25:39,970 --> 00:25:36,450
out and you couldn't really see who was

540
00:25:44,779 --> 00:25:39,980
inside but somebody seemed to be

541
00:25:47,180 --> 00:25:44,789
observing the conversation and they I

542
00:25:49,970 --> 00:25:47,190
guess they eventually left and everybody

543
00:25:51,230 --> 00:25:49,980
went home and Jack filed a report with

544
00:25:53,780 --> 00:25:51,240
the

545
00:25:56,919 --> 00:25:53,790
Mosley's saucer news and we put it in

546
00:25:59,810 --> 00:25:56,929
our file cabinet and plan to you know

547
00:26:03,500 --> 00:25:59,820
report out in the next issue of the

548
00:26:07,970 --> 00:26:03,510
magazine which was a quarterly well now

549
00:26:11,210 --> 00:26:07,980
we got several calls from Jack after he

550
00:26:13,310 --> 00:26:11,220
had met with the teenage boys that he

551
00:26:17,150 --> 00:26:13,320
thought that his telephone was being

552
00:26:21,049 --> 00:26:17,160
tapped and apparently somebody had

553
00:26:24,710 --> 00:26:21,059
broken into his apartment he lived in a

554
00:26:27,980 --> 00:26:24,720
small he and Mary Robinson lived in a

555
00:26:31,000 --> 00:26:27,990
small apartment building in Jersey City

556
00:26:34,340 --> 00:26:31,010
which is a bedroom community of

557
00:26:36,290 --> 00:26:34,350
Manhattan probably hundreds of a couple

558
00:26:40,070 --> 00:26:36,300
of hundred thousand people take the PATH

559
00:26:43,120 --> 00:26:40,080
train over from Jersey City to Manhattan

560
00:26:46,419 --> 00:26:43,130
every day it's about maybe a 20 20

561
00:26:50,799 --> 00:26:46,429
minute ride it stops in Wall Street

562
00:26:52,940 --> 00:26:50,809
stops pretty near Macy's and it's a hub

563
00:26:55,840 --> 00:26:52,950
activity if you don't want to pay the

564
00:26:58,160 --> 00:26:55,850
Manhattan rents that's where you lived

565
00:26:59,890 --> 00:26:58,170
you know back in those days today

566
00:27:03,770 --> 00:26:59,900
wouldn't much matter and it wouldn't

567
00:27:07,250 --> 00:27:03,780
suspect but anyway well when Jack would

568
00:27:09,140 --> 00:27:07,260
go to work his wife Mary you know who

569
00:27:12,049 --> 00:27:09,150
stayed at home she would go out and do

570
00:27:14,990 --> 00:27:12,059
the the shopping and whatever she had

571
00:27:16,730 --> 00:27:15,000
you know sure she hadn't do and she

572
00:27:20,020 --> 00:27:16,740
would call us on several occasions to

573
00:27:22,970 --> 00:27:20,030
tell us that there was this strange man

574
00:27:25,340 --> 00:27:22,980
standing in the doorway and next door to

575
00:27:27,919 --> 00:27:25,350
the building where they lived he had on

576
00:27:32,450 --> 00:27:27,929
a black suit black sunglasses black hat

577
00:27:34,660 --> 00:27:32,460
and he was kind of recessed into the the

578
00:27:38,570 --> 00:27:34,670
doorway as if he did not want to be

579
00:27:40,280 --> 00:27:38,580
observed so she was wondering well what

580
00:27:43,040 --> 00:27:40,290
was he you know what was he doing there

581
00:27:44,450 --> 00:27:43,050
and this was around the time that Jack

582
00:27:47,720 --> 00:27:44,460
Murray felt that their phone was being

583
00:27:50,320 --> 00:27:47,730
tapped and that they were apartment was

584
00:27:55,690 --> 00:27:50,330
broken into and the files rifled through

585
00:27:58,400 --> 00:27:55,700
so I I guess you know it at some point

586
00:28:00,980 --> 00:27:58,410
Mary had called so many times I guess

587
00:28:03,260 --> 00:28:00,990
she was kind of being persistent that we

588
00:28:04,910 --> 00:28:03,270
should go over and see for ourselves

589
00:28:06,740 --> 00:28:04,920
this strange

590
00:28:09,350 --> 00:28:06,750
individual standing in the in the

591
00:28:11,750 --> 00:28:09,360
doorway in your house now the men in

592
00:28:15,800 --> 00:28:11,760
black of course the movies hadn't come

593
00:28:18,020 --> 00:28:15,810
out then if you were in the ufologist or

594
00:28:20,240 --> 00:28:18,030
listen to maybe Long John Neville or

595
00:28:22,160 --> 00:28:20,250
some of the early broadcast you knew who

596
00:28:25,550 --> 00:28:22,170
they they were you know they were

597
00:28:28,340 --> 00:28:25,560
silencing UFO researchers and appearing

598
00:28:30,620 --> 00:28:28,350
on the doorsteps and look pretty much

599
00:28:32,540 --> 00:28:30,630
like in the in the movie version you

600
00:28:35,540 --> 00:28:32,550
know but they obviously were not so

601
00:28:38,150 --> 00:28:35,550
comical they were very serious about in

602
00:28:40,490 --> 00:28:38,160
their attempts to silence people so now

603
00:28:43,610 --> 00:28:40,500
we decided well you know this could

604
00:28:45,830 --> 00:28:43,620
possibly be a hoax that Jack and Mary

605
00:28:48,260 --> 00:28:45,840
we're trying to pull on the the staff

606
00:28:50,960 --> 00:28:48,270
just to a gleam a little bit of

607
00:28:53,690 --> 00:28:50,970
attention so Jim and I decided we're

608
00:28:56,030 --> 00:28:53,700
going to drive over to their apartment

609
00:28:57,950 --> 00:28:56,040
in Jersey City and to take a look

610
00:29:01,820 --> 00:28:57,960
without letting them know that we are

611
00:29:05,090 --> 00:29:01,830
coming so one morning we get into Jim's

612
00:29:08,510 --> 00:29:05,100
automobile we go through the Lincoln

613
00:29:11,210 --> 00:29:08,520
Tunnel and head over to Jersey City very

614
00:29:13,160 --> 00:29:11,220
quick drive and and we get there and

615
00:29:17,120 --> 00:29:13,170
it's about probably you know maybe 8:00

616
00:29:19,010 --> 00:29:17,130
8:15 in the morning and the streets the

617
00:29:20,960 --> 00:29:19,020
streets are very narrow it's a

618
00:29:24,200 --> 00:29:20,970
residential area the streets are very

619
00:29:26,120 --> 00:29:24,210
narrow and a lot of people are double

620
00:29:29,660 --> 00:29:26,130
parked I assume doing their own chores

621
00:29:32,320 --> 00:29:29,670
and in stuff so as we pulled them to the

622
00:29:36,170 --> 00:29:32,330
block we saw that indeed there was a

623
00:29:38,950 --> 00:29:36,180
strange individual or a stranger let's

624
00:29:41,600 --> 00:29:38,960
say that's standing in the doorway so

625
00:29:44,510 --> 00:29:41,610
Jim is driving and he hands me his

626
00:29:46,760 --> 00:29:44,520
camera and I'm in the passenger seat and

627
00:29:48,800 --> 00:29:46,770
i sticked my head out the window and I

628
00:29:52,760 --> 00:29:48,810
took the camera out and I take a

629
00:29:55,490 --> 00:29:52,770
photograph of the individual and I take

630
00:29:57,710 --> 00:29:55,500
a photograph of the vehicle that's

631
00:30:00,670 --> 00:29:57,720
parked at the curb which happens to be

632
00:30:02,810 --> 00:30:00,680
one of these long limousine like

633
00:30:05,780 --> 00:30:02,820
Cadillacs or Lincoln's I don't remember

634
00:30:09,200 --> 00:30:05,790
exactly now we decided we're going to

635
00:30:10,940 --> 00:30:09,210
confront this strange character and find

636
00:30:14,270 --> 00:30:10,950
out what is this gentleman doing

637
00:30:16,400 --> 00:30:14,280
standing there almost on a daily basis

638
00:30:18,680 --> 00:30:16,410
observing people going in and out of

639
00:30:21,710 --> 00:30:18,690
this apartment building so

640
00:30:23,600 --> 00:30:21,720
suggest we ride drive around the block

641
00:30:26,840 --> 00:30:23,610
and then I get out of the car and

642
00:30:28,430 --> 00:30:26,850
approached the the individual well it

643
00:30:30,020 --> 00:30:28,440
took us I think a little bit longer than

644
00:30:33,620 --> 00:30:30,030
we suspected to get around the block

645
00:30:36,440 --> 00:30:33,630
because of the congestion and one-way

646
00:30:39,830 --> 00:30:36,450
streets and and so forth so by time we

647
00:30:43,550 --> 00:30:39,840
had gotten back to where he was the

648
00:30:45,740 --> 00:30:43,560
gentleman was gone and the car was gone

649
00:30:48,530 --> 00:30:45,750
as well but we did have the one

650
00:30:50,500 --> 00:30:48,540
photograph and people that look at it

651
00:30:52,760 --> 00:30:50,510
will say well maybe it was a pallbearer

652
00:30:55,550 --> 00:30:52,770
well there was no funeral home or

653
00:30:58,190 --> 00:30:55,560
anything like that nearby I don't think

654
00:31:01,190 --> 00:30:58,200
anybody had died they weren't picking up

655
00:31:03,440 --> 00:31:01,200
a casket they weren't shooting you know

656
00:31:05,810 --> 00:31:03,450
some kind of horror movie and the in the

657
00:31:07,820 --> 00:31:05,820
neighborhood but the peculiar thing was

658
00:31:09,920 --> 00:31:07,830
you know we think about the men in black

659
00:31:13,550 --> 00:31:09,930
or the the mids as we call them is

660
00:31:16,250 --> 00:31:13,560
silencing UFO researchers well I think

661
00:31:20,270 --> 00:31:16,260
that I silenced him because he never

662
00:31:23,480 --> 00:31:20,280
showed up anymore after our taking his

663
00:31:26,180 --> 00:31:23,490
photograph and there was no more

664
00:31:29,120 --> 00:31:26,190
attempts to break into the apartment and

665
00:31:32,420 --> 00:31:29,130
as far as we know the jack and Mary's

666
00:31:34,790 --> 00:31:32,430
telephone calls were not being tapped so

667
00:31:36,560 --> 00:31:34,800
you could say I have the power to scare

668
00:31:38,740 --> 00:31:36,570
off the men in black which not too many

669
00:31:41,660 --> 00:31:38,750
other people in the UFO field can

670
00:31:44,030 --> 00:31:41,670
justifiably say but that was my

671
00:31:47,270 --> 00:31:44,040
experience with the with the so-called

672
00:31:49,450 --> 00:31:47,280
men in black they are real but then you

673
00:31:52,360 --> 00:31:49,460
know there's so much so much strange

674
00:31:55,430 --> 00:31:52,370
phenomena that's associated with UFOs

675
00:31:58,010 --> 00:31:55,440
that's what makes it so the subject so

676
00:32:00,800 --> 00:31:58,020
intriguing if it were just lights in the

677
00:32:03,860 --> 00:32:00,810
sky or an occasional you know landing

678
00:32:05,660 --> 00:32:03,870
with some Burton rocks or soil or

679
00:32:09,830 --> 00:32:05,670
something like that I don't think it

680
00:32:13,310 --> 00:32:09,840
would have held my interest for half a

681
00:32:16,010 --> 00:32:13,320
century Tim that's the craziest picture

682
00:32:19,430 --> 00:32:16,020
I ever saw that is so spooky of that guy

683
00:32:22,040 --> 00:32:19,440
well he seems also too you know what I

684
00:32:24,830 --> 00:32:22,050
find unusual about him weren't anything

685
00:32:29,390 --> 00:32:24,840
else he seems to be wearing fairy boots

686
00:32:31,580 --> 00:32:29,400
a little like Ali well he doesn't but

687
00:32:32,630 --> 00:32:31,590
the but the the shoes through the boots

688
00:32:35,240 --> 00:32:32,640
that he's wearing

689
00:32:39,049 --> 00:32:35,250
yes certainly right and I don't know

690
00:32:41,360 --> 00:32:39,059
yeah yeah I have you now fellows have

691
00:32:44,960 --> 00:32:41,370
you encountered or heard stories about

692
00:32:48,320 --> 00:32:44,970
anybody that's had cryptid sightings or

693
00:32:53,660 --> 00:32:48,330
encounters being harassed or observed by

694
00:32:57,380 --> 00:32:53,670
men and black type individuals yeah I

695
00:33:00,049 --> 00:32:57,390
had one I had one I just just let me

696
00:33:03,140 --> 00:33:00,059
finish that one bit about being in the

697
00:33:05,419 --> 00:33:03,150
cemetery my head I only take a second

698
00:33:07,610 --> 00:33:05,429
anyway my niece and I went up to John

699
00:33:10,360 --> 00:33:07,620
Boyd Hatcher's crypt who was an early

700
00:33:14,360 --> 00:33:10,370
mayor of New York and it sounded like

701
00:33:16,820 --> 00:33:14,370
metallic a huge noise that came out from

702
00:33:18,799 --> 00:33:16,830
from the Crypt it was like somebody took

703
00:33:20,539 --> 00:33:18,809
a steel drum and just kind of threw it

704
00:33:23,390 --> 00:33:20,549
against the side of the building and

705
00:33:25,280 --> 00:33:23,400
anyway I didn't go back for almost 35

706
00:33:28,850 --> 00:33:25,290
years until my friend told me about the

707
00:33:31,310 --> 00:33:28,860
men in black anyway and the late 80s I

708
00:33:32,900 --> 00:33:31,320
had just broken up with someone which I

709
00:33:36,919 --> 00:33:32,910
did all the time I was kind of sickle

710
00:33:38,570 --> 00:33:36,929
and I decided I wanted to get back with

711
00:33:40,880 --> 00:33:38,580
him but he had met someone else you know

712
00:33:42,680 --> 00:33:40,890
how that goes and I heard he was going

713
00:33:44,330 --> 00:33:42,690
out with someone so I said well I'm

714
00:33:46,250 --> 00:33:44,340
gonna get up in the middle of the night

715
00:33:47,810 --> 00:33:46,260
and I know where he goes on a Friday

716
00:33:51,289 --> 00:33:47,820
night and I'm just going to see if he

717
00:33:54,289 --> 00:33:51,299
walks out with somebody so across the

718
00:33:56,360 --> 00:33:54,299
river there's an old road and it's a

719
00:34:00,110 --> 00:33:56,370
two-lane highway it's completely dark

720
00:34:02,150 --> 00:34:00,120
it isn't lit by any street lamps and it

721
00:34:05,419 --> 00:34:02,160
goes to the little village of Casselton

722
00:34:09,830 --> 00:34:05,429
on Hudson which is about maybe six miles

723
00:34:13,760 --> 00:34:09,840
from Albany across the river and I I

724
00:34:16,220 --> 00:34:13,770
just got almost to where the town began

725
00:34:18,590 --> 00:34:16,230
after going down this very dark road

726
00:34:21,020 --> 00:34:18,600
which was kind of creepy and out of the

727
00:34:24,349 --> 00:34:21,030
corner of my eye I saw something white

728
00:34:27,440 --> 00:34:24,359
and when I looked at it and I swear to

729
00:34:30,950 --> 00:34:27,450
you on a stack of Bibles as God is my

730
00:34:34,580 --> 00:34:30,960
judge here was it looked like a white

731
00:34:36,349 --> 00:34:34,590
owl and it was about 36 inches tall it

732
00:34:39,200 --> 00:34:36,359
was just sitting there on the side of

733
00:34:41,389 --> 00:34:39,210
the road and when I looked at it it had

734
00:34:43,099 --> 00:34:41,399
flew right over my windshield and almost

735
00:34:44,260 --> 00:34:43,109
hit the windshield and I have never been

736
00:34:46,490 --> 00:34:44,270
so scared in my life

737
00:34:49,070 --> 00:34:46,500
so I'm of course

738
00:34:51,139 --> 00:34:49,080
wanted to find out you know are there

739
00:34:54,500 --> 00:34:51,149
hours that being around you know

740
00:34:57,290 --> 00:34:54,510
upstate New York no there's nothing but

741
00:34:58,910 --> 00:34:57,300
what I did find out is that people who

742
00:35:01,670 --> 00:34:58,920
have been abducted

743
00:35:04,310 --> 00:35:01,680
sometimes they're they see an owl or a

744
00:35:06,470 --> 00:35:04,320
deer and they call it a screen memory so

745
00:35:09,260 --> 00:35:06,480
you don't really remember you know I'm

746
00:35:13,490 --> 00:35:09,270
sure you're familiar with that and well

747
00:35:16,460 --> 00:35:13,500
so there's a demon called Moloch mo l o

748
00:35:19,520 --> 00:35:16,470
CH that is represented by a big white

749
00:35:20,840 --> 00:35:19,530
owl and I will never know what that

750
00:35:23,600 --> 00:35:20,850
meant

751
00:35:26,690 --> 00:35:23,610
i I don't want to know but that wasn't

752
00:35:33,260 --> 00:35:26,700
probably about nineteen eighty five or

753
00:35:39,140 --> 00:35:36,200
honest but almost a year and a half I

754
00:35:42,440 --> 00:35:39,150
actually started going on after my wife

755
00:35:45,650 --> 00:35:42,450
started my wife got sick and it didn't

756
00:35:47,660 --> 00:35:45,660
end to it she passed away and I was

757
00:35:53,960 --> 00:35:47,670
seeing Alice I was seeing references

758
00:35:55,370 --> 00:35:53,970
Styles I was seeing owls it was crazy I

759
00:36:04,520 --> 00:35:55,380
was told

760
00:36:08,140 --> 00:36:04,530
actually a if for mention before death

761
00:36:12,380 --> 00:36:08,150
or something I don't know but you know I

762
00:36:15,830 --> 00:36:12,390
internationally stop it was odd there is

763
00:36:19,940 --> 00:36:15,840
something to it you know like Tim

764
00:36:22,480 --> 00:36:19,950
mentioned cryptids well right and I

765
00:36:25,370 --> 00:36:22,490
probably mentioned I live 160 miles from

766
00:36:27,380 --> 00:36:25,380
Manhattan and there you have to go

767
00:36:30,850 --> 00:36:27,390
through the Catskill Mountains which are

768
00:36:35,020 --> 00:36:30,860
extremely haunted by animals that are

769
00:36:37,580 --> 00:36:35,030
absolutely mammoth and they're called

770
00:36:40,010 --> 00:36:37,590
Catamounts they're huge cats probably

771
00:36:41,660 --> 00:36:40,020
three times the size of maybe a panther

772
00:36:44,780 --> 00:36:41,670
and they've been seen through the

773
00:36:48,800 --> 00:36:44,790
centuries and well as little people and

774
00:36:51,580 --> 00:36:48,810
so forth and so on and as you go up the

775
00:36:54,890 --> 00:36:51,590
Hudson Valley through the Catskills

776
00:36:57,020 --> 00:36:54,900
probably maybe I would say 20 miles from

777
00:36:59,870 --> 00:36:57,030
where I live across the river there's a

778
00:37:02,870 --> 00:36:59,880
place called Kinderhook

779
00:37:06,529 --> 00:37:02,880
meaning Children's Corner in Dutch it

780
00:37:09,140 --> 00:37:06,539
was a Dutch settlement and that is where

781
00:37:11,630 --> 00:37:09,150
Washington Irving spent a lot of time

782
00:37:13,849 --> 00:37:11,640
when he was composing The Legend of

783
00:37:16,160 --> 00:37:13,859
Sleepy Hollow ripped and OH

784
00:37:18,740 --> 00:37:16,170
and all you know all these scary things

785
00:37:22,249 --> 00:37:18,750
and he was very influenced by that area

786
00:37:24,650 --> 00:37:22,259
and he actually said that it was a

787
00:37:28,819 --> 00:37:24,660
drowsy dreamy influence that seemed to

788
00:37:32,660 --> 00:37:28,829
hang over the area and held the people

789
00:37:35,150 --> 00:37:32,670
under a strange witching power and this

790
00:37:40,370 --> 00:37:35,160
is where he got the inspiration for all

791
00:37:42,109 --> 00:37:40,380
of his his work but in that area that

792
00:37:45,849 --> 00:37:42,119
right next to Kinderhook there's a

793
00:37:49,150 --> 00:37:45,859
little town called Ghent gh ent and

794
00:37:52,190 --> 00:37:49,160
starting in the 70s Bigfoot was seen

795
00:37:53,990 --> 00:37:52,200
constantly out there it would knock on

796
00:37:55,640 --> 00:37:54,000
people's doors in the middle of the

797
00:37:58,190 --> 00:37:55,650
night it would steal food it would get

798
00:38:00,499 --> 00:37:58,200
in the garbage and it plagued this one

799
00:38:02,960 --> 00:38:00,509
family that was the Bartholomew family

800
00:38:05,569 --> 00:38:02,970
and he actually wrote a book about it

801
00:38:07,069 --> 00:38:05,579
but he would his family wasn't the only

802
00:38:11,089 --> 00:38:07,079
one that saw this thing it was eight

803
00:38:14,870 --> 00:38:11,099
feet tall brown hair and they would go

804
00:38:16,819 --> 00:38:14,880
to a fishing place just about a mile

805
00:38:19,519 --> 00:38:16,829
from their house he and his cousin quote

806
00:38:22,130 --> 00:38:19,529
cushing's Hill and they would see what

807
00:38:24,829 --> 00:38:22,140
they called the white blob and it would

808
00:38:27,559 --> 00:38:24,839
kind of drift across the creek toward

809
00:38:30,680 --> 00:38:27,569
them and kind of take a human shape and

810
00:38:34,880 --> 00:38:30,690
then disappear and this is where they

811
00:38:36,319 --> 00:38:34,890
saw a Bigfoot probably I don't know I

812
00:38:38,210 --> 00:38:36,329
don't know how many times he mentioned

813
00:38:42,440 --> 00:38:38,220
but they they saw him running across the

814
00:38:44,170 --> 00:38:42,450
creek and as you go up north of where I

815
00:38:48,319 --> 00:38:44,180
live to where the Adirondack Mountains

816
00:38:50,990 --> 00:38:48,329
also a lot of hauntings up there

817
00:38:54,319 --> 00:38:51,000
there are Bigfoot sightings in Lake

818
00:38:57,499 --> 00:38:54,329
George and near French Mountain were

819
00:39:01,400 --> 00:38:57,509
many many people have seen things and in

820
00:39:04,249 --> 00:39:01,410
the Skene Valley Country Club area there

821
00:39:06,620 --> 00:39:04,259
is one place near there in Whitehall New

822
00:39:09,620 --> 00:39:06,630
York near Saranac Lake in Lake Lucerne

823
00:39:13,670 --> 00:39:09,630
Ford Edward Ford and protection deroga

824
00:39:15,920 --> 00:39:13,680
and it's called a bear Road and this is

825
00:39:18,020 --> 00:39:15,930
a hot spot if you really wanted to get

826
00:39:20,990 --> 00:39:18,030
in your car today and have a good chance

827
00:39:25,069 --> 00:39:21,000
of seeing a Bigfoot you want to go to a

828
00:39:28,099 --> 00:39:25,079
bear Road and wait all I have done a lot

829
00:39:31,339 --> 00:39:28,109
I've gotten a lot of sightings up and

830
00:39:35,000 --> 00:39:31,349
around Whitehall and across the lake is

831
00:39:38,270 --> 00:39:35,010
actually well and well of course Shawn's

832
00:39:42,770 --> 00:39:38,280
friend just did a movie about Whitehall

833
00:39:45,620 --> 00:39:42,780
and set Breedlove and I was very

834
00:39:50,319 --> 00:39:45,630
interesting film yeah White House kind

835
00:39:57,650 --> 00:39:53,299
activity yeah and it's still going on it

836
00:39:59,780 --> 00:39:57,660
started really in the 70s were more I

837
00:40:02,180 --> 00:39:59,790
guess most people saw the thing and then

838
00:40:03,799 --> 00:40:02,190
it kind of receded for a number of years

839
00:40:06,620 --> 00:40:03,809
and now people are starting to see it

840
00:40:08,180 --> 00:40:06,630
again so if I get my nerve up I'll go up

841
00:40:13,280 --> 00:40:08,190
there probably not though I don't know

842
00:40:16,040 --> 00:40:13,290
but it was a they always say it was

843
00:40:17,870 --> 00:40:16,050
brown had brown fur and eight to nine

844
00:40:19,640 --> 00:40:17,880
feet tall and we just kind of walk in

845
00:40:22,220 --> 00:40:19,650
front of the cars like some demented

846
00:40:24,170 --> 00:40:22,230
hitchhiker you know swing in his arms

847
00:40:25,819 --> 00:40:24,180
and just kind of walk into the woods he

848
00:40:29,210 --> 00:40:25,829
doesn't seem aggressive at least not

849
00:40:33,829 --> 00:40:29,220
this one so that's that's in that area

850
00:40:36,799 --> 00:40:33,839
and another place if you go down we're

851
00:40:38,539 --> 00:40:36,809
again along the Hudson Valley if you go

852
00:40:41,510 --> 00:40:38,549
to a place called the Kip see in New

853
00:40:44,450 --> 00:40:41,520
York there I just spent a week there you

854
00:40:47,030 --> 00:40:44,460
didn't tell me Ana Claudia yeah okay

855
00:40:50,329 --> 00:40:47,040
well do you does anyone remember the

856
00:40:54,410 --> 00:40:50,339
Bishop James Pike James Pike in the 700

857
00:40:58,339 --> 00:40:54,420
yes actually yes indeed okay well he was

858
00:41:03,190 --> 00:40:58,349
the rector of Christ Episcopal Church in

859
00:41:06,380 --> 00:41:03,200
that area and he did all the talk shows

860
00:41:10,339 --> 00:41:06,390
John Neville and all these in fact his

861
00:41:13,549 --> 00:41:10,349
his son committed suicide in a hotel

862
00:41:16,490 --> 00:41:13,559
that's just right around the corner from

863
00:41:18,559 --> 00:41:16,500
where I am here in Manhattan and where I

864
00:41:20,870 --> 00:41:18,569
had some close friends who lived there

865
00:41:25,849 --> 00:41:20,880
for many years and of course there's a

866
00:41:27,370 --> 00:41:25,859
lot of paranormal phenomena involved

867
00:41:29,440 --> 00:41:27,380
with his passing

868
00:41:32,319 --> 00:41:29,450
his son's death and so forth but go on

869
00:41:35,920 --> 00:41:32,329
with your story hotel for another time

870
00:41:37,720 --> 00:41:35,930
yeah he was a rector in the late 40s in

871
00:41:40,259 --> 00:41:37,730
that church is quite an old church and

872
00:41:42,849 --> 00:41:40,269
you know many people wonder how to

873
00:41:44,349 --> 00:41:42,859
reconcile their faith with their belief

874
00:41:47,259 --> 00:41:44,359
in the supernatural and that's always

875
00:41:51,039 --> 00:41:47,269
been a thing with me I I'm a very strong

876
00:41:54,130 --> 00:41:51,049
Christian I totally believe you know and

877
00:41:56,859 --> 00:41:54,140
in my faith yes I know that there's a

878
00:41:58,990 --> 00:41:56,869
dark side or right side I know that and

879
00:41:59,980 --> 00:41:59,000
a lot of people are kind of in that

880
00:42:01,930 --> 00:41:59,990
conundrum

881
00:42:03,670 --> 00:42:01,940
you know we're interested in what's with

882
00:42:05,049 --> 00:42:03,680
the other side is but we don't want to

883
00:42:06,789 --> 00:42:05,059
get too close to it we just want to know

884
00:42:09,670 --> 00:42:06,799
it exists because it kind of confirms

885
00:42:12,700 --> 00:42:09,680
the light side so you know that your

886
00:42:15,309 --> 00:42:12,710
religion and but there are welcome

887
00:42:18,599 --> 00:42:15,319
surprised to learn that actually there

888
00:42:21,640 --> 00:42:18,609
are many haunted churches and many men

889
00:42:24,249 --> 00:42:21,650
of the cloth have had encounters with

890
00:42:27,579 --> 00:42:24,259
ghosts and in their church and this

891
00:42:30,309 --> 00:42:27,589
particular Church in Poughkeepsie is

892
00:42:34,630 --> 00:42:30,319
extremely haunted I believe it was

893
00:42:39,249 --> 00:42:34,640
founded in the 17th and mid 1700s and I

894
00:42:42,039 --> 00:42:39,259
at one one time the late James Pike the

895
00:42:44,740 --> 00:42:42,049
bishop who was who came out in the 70s

896
00:42:46,690 --> 00:42:44,750
as a medium and that was a strange word

897
00:42:48,609 --> 00:42:46,700
back then we heard of psychic so

898
00:42:51,430 --> 00:42:48,619
everybody kind of chuckled nobody really

899
00:42:53,170 --> 00:42:51,440
took it too seriously but he was a

900
00:42:55,690 --> 00:42:53,180
medium so that was something different

901
00:42:58,059 --> 00:42:55,700
and he claimed to speak to the dead and

902
00:42:59,740 --> 00:42:58,069
he was into reincarnation and a lot of

903
00:43:03,430 --> 00:42:59,750
things to go against the Christian faith

904
00:43:06,039 --> 00:43:03,440
but anyway he was director there and he

905
00:43:09,660 --> 00:43:06,049
had seen many ghosts in the church and

906
00:43:12,940 --> 00:43:09,670
during one mass as he lit a holy candle

907
00:43:17,289 --> 00:43:12,950
he was actually attacked by a bat on the

908
00:43:20,019 --> 00:43:17,299
altar and this inexplicable gust of wind

909
00:43:23,829 --> 00:43:20,029
blew the candle out just as a bat

910
00:43:26,680 --> 00:43:23,839
appeared and the incident it was

911
00:43:28,960 --> 00:43:26,690
witnessed by the entire congregation and

912
00:43:32,529 --> 00:43:28,970
it's you know things like candles and

913
00:43:35,650 --> 00:43:32,539
bats have featured prominently in other

914
00:43:38,470 --> 00:43:35,660
strange incidences at that church the

915
00:43:40,569 --> 00:43:38,480
candles and the library extinguished

916
00:43:43,089 --> 00:43:40,579
themselves on occasion

917
00:43:45,939 --> 00:43:43,099
and this malevolent bat has been seen by

918
00:43:48,549 --> 00:43:45,949
more than one churchgoer that I think

919
00:43:50,650 --> 00:43:48,559
the fact that it sometimes fades before

920
00:43:52,479 --> 00:43:50,660
their eyes gives us credence to the

921
00:43:56,349 --> 00:43:52,489
possibility that there's something

922
00:43:59,319 --> 00:43:56,359
supernatural about the creature so but

923
00:44:01,719 --> 00:43:59,329
incidents with bats and candles you know

924
00:44:03,759 --> 00:44:01,729
I can be rationalized it's not having

925
00:44:04,870 --> 00:44:03,769
anything to do with the paranormal you

926
00:44:07,479 --> 00:44:04,880
know you could just say well a bat but

927
00:44:09,339 --> 00:44:07,489
in the church okay but when it fades in

928
00:44:11,799 --> 00:44:09,349
front of you and disappears that's

929
00:44:14,640 --> 00:44:11,809
something different you know

930
00:44:18,189 --> 00:44:14,650
the church has doors that open and close

931
00:44:21,579 --> 00:44:18,199
you know unassisted and strange sounds

932
00:44:25,449 --> 00:44:21,589
and one lady fell asleep of her her

933
00:44:27,669 --> 00:44:25,459
sister was practicing the organ and when

934
00:44:30,609 --> 00:44:27,679
she woke up here was a ghost looking

935
00:44:33,489 --> 00:44:30,619
right at her smiling so there are some

936
00:44:35,380 --> 00:44:33,499
something going on there you know that

937
00:44:39,370 --> 00:44:35,390
being an Episcopal Church has anybody

938
00:44:43,739 --> 00:44:39,380
ever tried to exorcise it that I could

939
00:44:46,660 --> 00:44:43,749
not tell you I don't know but they say

940
00:44:49,299 --> 00:44:46,670
during excuse me during recent times

941
00:44:53,919 --> 00:44:49,309
it's well that nonsense has kind of

942
00:44:55,929 --> 00:44:53,929
stopped so but they but it did happen

943
00:44:59,219 --> 00:44:55,939
it's all been in fact it was written

944
00:45:02,769 --> 00:44:59,229
about and I believe it was Susan's

945
00:45:04,329 --> 00:45:02,779
smitten she's a local author ghost

946
00:45:06,519 --> 00:45:04,339
stories of New York State or something

947
00:45:09,069 --> 00:45:06,529
like that so it's pretty well documented

948
00:45:11,709 --> 00:45:09,079
it's Verret was a very haunted Church I

949
00:45:14,019 --> 00:45:11,719
don't even know if it's still standing

950
00:45:16,569 --> 00:45:14,029
but that's something that I would like

951
00:45:21,459 --> 00:45:16,579
to look into and my next trip down

952
00:45:25,269 --> 00:45:21,469
hmm yeah interesting you know New York

953
00:45:27,729 --> 00:45:25,279
is a very haunted area in fact Saturday

954
00:45:31,599 --> 00:45:27,739
night I'm going to on a haunted tour up

955
00:45:34,839 --> 00:45:31,609
in Lake George at the Fort William Henry

956
00:45:39,189 --> 00:45:34,849
which was a Revolutionary War fortress

957
00:45:42,130 --> 00:45:39,199
in the 1700s and very heavily populated

958
00:45:45,130 --> 00:45:42,140
with Indians and Revolutionary War

959
00:45:48,279 --> 00:45:45,140
soldiers and even to this day people

960
00:45:50,499 --> 00:45:48,289
here must gets you know being shot on

961
00:45:53,349 --> 00:45:50,509
the battlefield and they see men in

962
00:45:54,400 --> 00:45:53,359
Revolutionary War costumes so I'm

963
00:45:56,529 --> 00:45:54,410
looking forward to the

964
00:45:59,620 --> 00:45:56,539
I don't I don't expect I'll see anything

965
00:46:01,599 --> 00:45:59,630
but that has been recorded I have heard

966
00:46:05,559 --> 00:46:01,609
I have heard people that had been there

967
00:46:07,319 --> 00:46:05,569
previously and yeah I there there seems

968
00:46:10,720 --> 00:46:07,329
to be a lot of activity all around

969
00:46:15,609 --> 00:46:10,730
therefore in particular the mess and out

970
00:46:17,609 --> 00:46:15,619
on the walls or the old walls were yeah

971
00:46:20,020 --> 00:46:17,619
that that should be very interesting

972
00:46:21,880 --> 00:46:20,030
well we're going up at night and it's

973
00:46:24,520 --> 00:46:21,890
going to be a candlelit tour through the

974
00:46:26,260 --> 00:46:24,530
the old fort and they're going to

975
00:46:28,569 --> 00:46:26,270
address them them you know the old

976
00:46:29,980 --> 00:46:28,579
Revolutionary War soldier uniforms and

977
00:46:31,480 --> 00:46:29,990
they're actually having real Indians

978
00:46:33,190 --> 00:46:31,490
there so it's going to be like we're

979
00:46:35,740 --> 00:46:33,200
being chased by the Indians it's going

980
00:46:38,500 --> 00:46:35,750
to be a lot of fun now who is sponsoring

981
00:46:41,980 --> 00:46:38,510
that clothing the fort the Fort William

982
00:46:42,430 --> 00:46:41,990
Henry is there a lot yeah my my best

983
00:46:46,180 --> 00:46:42,440
friend

984
00:46:47,680 --> 00:46:46,190
Margaret Ann she's a she which was a

985
00:46:50,260 --> 00:46:47,690
little girl her parents would take her

986
00:46:51,789 --> 00:46:50,270
up there and that's just a lot of

987
00:46:53,740 --> 00:46:51,799
memories so we were up there one day and

988
00:46:56,079 --> 00:46:53,750
we found out that they had these haunted

989
00:46:58,059 --> 00:46:56,089
tours so we signed up for it and we're

990
00:47:02,529 --> 00:46:58,069
going on a headless horseman tour in

991
00:47:05,099 --> 00:47:02,539
Tarrytown the following week yeah I had

992
00:47:09,039 --> 00:47:05,109
I had lunch in Tarrytown yesterday

993
00:47:12,250 --> 00:47:09,049
looking for Ichabod Crane but you know

994
00:47:13,599 --> 00:47:12,260
you you read that little item from

995
00:47:17,289 --> 00:47:13,609
Washington Irving's

996
00:47:18,760 --> 00:47:17,299
a Sleepy Hollow book if you read if I

997
00:47:21,250 --> 00:47:18,770
could find that paragraph which I don't

998
00:47:23,710 --> 00:47:21,260
have here in front of me about what he

999
00:47:25,660 --> 00:47:23,720
described this was what about 1700 or

1000
00:47:28,299 --> 00:47:25,670
something like that a little bit after

1001
00:47:31,359 --> 00:47:28,309
right if you read that paragraph or two

1002
00:47:34,480 --> 00:47:31,369
out of his book you would swear that he

1003
00:47:37,210 --> 00:47:34,490
was talking about what was going on up

1004
00:47:40,900 --> 00:47:37,220
there even recently because this is the

1005
00:47:45,160 --> 00:47:40,910
exact same area where in the early 1980s

1006
00:47:48,880 --> 00:47:45,170
this huge boomerang shaped the craft was

1007
00:47:51,609 --> 00:47:48,890
coming down over the the parkway and on

1008
00:47:53,880 --> 00:47:51,619
one occasion there were about a thousand

1009
00:47:56,500 --> 00:47:53,890
people who actually witnessed this

1010
00:47:59,349 --> 00:47:56,510
similar in some respects to the the

1011
00:48:04,329 --> 00:47:59,359
Phoenix lights in that had moved across

1012
00:48:07,930 --> 00:48:04,339
the sky silently and it was so large

1013
00:48:12,520 --> 00:48:07,940
that it blocked out a huge hue

1014
00:48:17,410 --> 00:48:12,530
section of the of the sky and it's it's

1015
00:48:20,730 --> 00:48:17,420
so perturbed and perplex the residents

1016
00:48:25,870 --> 00:48:20,740
of the area that they actually held a

1017
00:48:31,720 --> 00:48:25,880
town-hall meeting in the local middle

1018
00:48:33,610 --> 00:48:31,730
school there and they called in a number

1019
00:48:36,580 --> 00:48:33,620
of scientists they had dr. J Allen Hynek

1020
00:48:39,610 --> 00:48:36,590
and Jacques Vallee he was there and and

1021
00:48:42,640 --> 00:48:39,620
so forth to get to the bottom of what it

1022
00:48:45,790 --> 00:48:42,650
is that they had observed of course they

1023
00:48:48,670 --> 00:48:45,800
had no luck because what they had

1024
00:48:50,770 --> 00:48:48,680
observed did not seem to be man-made in

1025
00:48:54,070 --> 00:48:50,780
the sense that we think of manmade now

1026
00:48:56,620 --> 00:48:54,080
these crafts may not be physical

1027
00:48:59,800 --> 00:48:56,630
nuts-and-bolts objects I mean they do

1028
00:49:04,360 --> 00:48:59,810
seem to have the ability to transport

1029
00:49:06,550 --> 00:49:04,370
themselves through space and time I do

1030
00:49:10,360 --> 00:49:06,560
believe that the that they are coming

1031
00:49:13,630 --> 00:49:10,370
here myself from other dimensions and

1032
00:49:16,330 --> 00:49:13,640
perhaps from the from the future and it

1033
00:49:19,720 --> 00:49:16,340
could be that some of these ray this

1034
00:49:22,780 --> 00:49:19,730
race or races of beings actually have

1035
00:49:24,640 --> 00:49:22,790
bases here on the ground so this all

1036
00:49:29,890 --> 00:49:24,650
kind of ties in together but if you had

1037
00:49:32,710 --> 00:49:29,900
told me this back in 1957 when I had my

1038
00:49:37,720 --> 00:49:32,720
first UFO sighting I would have thought

1039
00:49:40,410 --> 00:49:37,730
you were terribly bad II you you think a

1040
00:49:41,830 --> 00:49:40,420
lot on the lines like I do about

1041
00:49:44,440 --> 00:49:41,840
extraterrestrial so-called

1042
00:49:47,520 --> 00:49:44,450
extraterrestrials and non terrestrial

1043
00:49:50,350 --> 00:49:47,530
beings I think I think a lot like you do

1044
00:49:51,580 --> 00:49:50,360
well now let me let me take ok just let

1045
00:49:54,640 --> 00:49:51,590
me tell you this one question sorry

1046
00:49:57,940 --> 00:49:54,650
people ask you know is there what is the

1047
00:49:59,890 --> 00:49:57,950
possible connection between UFOs and and

1048
00:50:01,870 --> 00:49:59,900
the Bigfoot they don't see how there

1049
00:50:03,730 --> 00:50:01,880
would be a relation that that's the

1050
00:50:06,220 --> 00:50:03,740
course I was going to answer okay well

1051
00:50:09,760 --> 00:50:06,230
here's the story that I remember from my

1052
00:50:13,270 --> 00:50:09,770
days of writing for the weekly press I

1053
00:50:17,080 --> 00:50:13,280
was a stringer they called it for The

1054
00:50:18,700 --> 00:50:17,090
Enquirer of the globe the main paper I

1055
00:50:21,070 --> 00:50:18,710
wrote for was something out of Chicago

1056
00:50:21,790 --> 00:50:21,080
called the Tattler which was named after

1057
00:50:23,710 --> 00:50:21,800
a British

1058
00:50:26,020 --> 00:50:23,720
I think went back to the 1700s or

1059
00:50:28,660 --> 00:50:26,030
something like that and in those days

1060
00:50:30,970 --> 00:50:28,670
they weren't you know like all celebrity

1061
00:50:33,700 --> 00:50:30,980
gossip and stuff like that he actually

1062
00:50:36,070 --> 00:50:33,710
had the opportunity to you know to do

1063
00:50:38,020 --> 00:50:36,080
some investigative work and see your

1064
00:50:40,030 --> 00:50:38,030
name in print and guess what you even

1065
00:50:42,400 --> 00:50:40,040
got paid a few dollars right whatever

1066
00:50:45,280 --> 00:50:42,410
what a novelty that was but I I remember

1067
00:50:47,770 --> 00:50:45,290
hearing about a report of a gentleman

1068
00:50:49,660 --> 00:50:47,780
and I got him on the telephone he had

1069
00:50:54,010 --> 00:50:49,670
been driving along at night I guess a

1070
00:50:57,460 --> 00:50:54,020
rather remote area and I think this was

1071
00:50:59,140 --> 00:50:57,470
either in Wisconsin or in Michigan and I

1072
00:51:02,380 --> 00:50:59,150
think you can find it on the Internet

1073
00:51:05,770 --> 00:51:02,390
and he actually drew me a made a sketch

1074
00:51:08,800 --> 00:51:05,780
of what he had seen and he sent it to me

1075
00:51:13,030 --> 00:51:08,810
in a you know in a letter in those days

1076
00:51:16,210 --> 00:51:13,040
obviously and it was a giant transparent

1077
00:51:21,580 --> 00:51:16,220
globe almost like a fishbowl type of

1078
00:51:26,650 --> 00:51:21,590
device and inside the vehicle was a

1079
00:51:29,410 --> 00:51:26,660
large hairy creature it was a one-foot

1080
00:51:32,790 --> 00:51:29,420
device or one-man device was this

1081
00:51:36,070 --> 00:51:32,800
seeming creature this big hairy creature

1082
00:51:38,770 --> 00:51:36,080
standing sitting behind a control panel

1083
00:51:41,020 --> 00:51:38,780
and I asked his fellow if he knew about

1084
00:51:43,150 --> 00:51:41,030
reports of Bigfoot or anything like that

1085
00:51:44,590 --> 00:51:43,160
and he didn't even really know what I

1086
00:51:47,560 --> 00:51:44,600
was talking about her at least I I

1087
00:51:50,080 --> 00:51:47,570
assumed he didn't and so that was my

1088
00:51:52,510 --> 00:51:50,090
first inkling that there might be an

1089
00:51:54,790 --> 00:51:52,520
actual I was going to say solid but that

1090
00:51:58,390 --> 00:51:54,800
may not be the correct word a way to

1091
00:52:02,020 --> 00:51:58,400
phrase it a connection between the UFOs

1092
00:52:05,950 --> 00:52:02,030
and these cryptids in a course that

1093
00:52:08,320 --> 00:52:05,960
that's kind of the the I guess the

1094
00:52:10,750 --> 00:52:08,330
concept that we project in this book

1095
00:52:13,600 --> 00:52:10,760
that we just did cryptic features from

1096
00:52:16,630 --> 00:52:13,610
dark domains dog men devil hounds

1097
00:52:19,840 --> 00:52:16,640
phantom canines and real werewolves and

1098
00:52:22,170 --> 00:52:19,850
I guess maybe they're all in some sort

1099
00:52:24,430 --> 00:52:22,180
of way related out there hard to say but

1100
00:52:26,080 --> 00:52:24,440
you know I think it's just getting to

1101
00:52:29,560 --> 00:52:26,090
the point now where we can all really

1102
00:52:32,370 --> 00:52:29,570
start just taking this seriously I don't

1103
00:52:35,150 --> 00:52:32,380
know as if any members of the academic

1104
00:52:37,520 --> 00:52:35,160
community are going to

1105
00:52:39,590 --> 00:52:37,530
pursue this but then you know it's it's

1106
00:52:41,360 --> 00:52:39,600
like disclosure people say do you think

1107
00:52:43,850 --> 00:52:41,370
the government is gonna tell us what

1108
00:52:46,850 --> 00:52:43,860
UFOs are well if you've investigated

1109
00:52:48,380 --> 00:52:46,860
this for 50 years if you don't believe

1110
00:52:49,550 --> 00:52:48,390
they're real probably you're not gonna

1111
00:52:51,590 --> 00:52:49,560
believe that you're gonna think it's

1112
00:52:54,320 --> 00:52:51,600
some kind of false flag or something say

1113
00:52:56,270 --> 00:52:54,330
and if you do believe it do believe it

1114
00:52:58,820 --> 00:52:56,280
either from your own observation or so

1115
00:53:01,790 --> 00:52:58,830
what somebody has told you or from a

1116
00:53:04,460 --> 00:53:01,800
personal investigation nobody can sway

1117
00:53:06,380 --> 00:53:04,470
your you know opinion anyway so I don't

1118
00:53:07,520 --> 00:53:06,390
know as if it really matters I don't

1119
00:53:08,960 --> 00:53:07,530
think the government tells you too much

1120
00:53:11,000 --> 00:53:08,970
about anything so why would they tell

1121
00:53:16,070 --> 00:53:11,010
you about UFOs and aliens you know well

1122
00:53:18,050 --> 00:53:16,080
I don't think there's an explosion our

1123
00:53:19,790 --> 00:53:18,060
lifetime I wouldn't think you know maybe

1124
00:53:22,220 --> 00:53:19,800
we can get one of the Bigfoot to run for

1125
00:53:28,070 --> 00:53:22,230
president I think that would be that he

1126
00:53:32,800 --> 00:53:28,080
might win I win maybe deserves to he'd

1127
00:53:39,980 --> 00:53:37,480
described it's pretty similar to one of

1128
00:53:44,750 --> 00:53:39,990
one of my witnesses up in Nova Scotia

1129
00:53:48,710 --> 00:53:44,760
had oh geez just a few years ago he saw

1130
00:53:52,340 --> 00:53:48,720
a crystal like globe I don't know maybe

1131
00:53:54,620 --> 00:53:52,350
about 20 foot around coming down from

1132
00:53:57,350 --> 00:53:54,630
the sky and it landed in the field

1133
00:54:02,330 --> 00:53:57,360
crossing his house and this Bigfoot

1134
00:54:04,580 --> 00:54:02,340
walked out of yeah and he said it just

1135
00:54:06,860 --> 00:54:04,590
looked it off and he's he's had Bigfoot

1136
00:54:09,770 --> 00:54:06,870
activity and in fact it was what I

1137
00:54:12,410 --> 00:54:09,780
considered a situation area because

1138
00:54:16,070 --> 00:54:12,420
there were three distinct creatures that

1139
00:54:18,380 --> 00:54:16,080
he described and grew down for me and he

1140
00:54:20,900 --> 00:54:18,390
but you know he couldn't get he try we

1141
00:54:23,840 --> 00:54:20,910
see set things up sick cameras up get

1142
00:54:25,220 --> 00:54:23,850
pictures we got like an arm one time but

1143
00:54:27,350 --> 00:54:25,230
that's about the only thing I've ever

1144
00:54:29,570 --> 00:54:27,360
seen but some is some of his stories

1145
00:54:31,220 --> 00:54:29,580
were pretty interesting but there was

1146
00:54:34,940 --> 00:54:31,230
always over my back and you have full

1147
00:54:38,630 --> 00:54:34,950
activity when these Bigfoot would be

1148
00:54:44,990 --> 00:54:38,640
moving around and it was always when the

1149
00:54:47,000 --> 00:54:45,000
weather was just starting to change did

1150
00:54:48,070 --> 00:54:47,010
the what did the Bigfoot do when your

1151
00:54:51,010 --> 00:54:48,080
friend

1152
00:54:54,250 --> 00:54:51,020
did it take just got out and just walked

1153
00:54:57,640 --> 00:54:54,260
where Russell

1154
00:55:00,100 --> 00:54:57,650
I know stones that people sometimes or

1155
00:55:02,290 --> 00:55:00,110
they you know they've their it's almost

1156
00:55:04,900 --> 00:55:02,300
like they're human but they don't seem

1157
00:55:08,590 --> 00:55:04,910
to you know I don't know I don't think

1158
00:55:11,380 --> 00:55:08,600
they're as opposed to the as opposed to

1159
00:55:12,790 --> 00:55:11,390
the upright canines that we've been

1160
00:55:16,540 --> 00:55:12,800
reporting on one down here in

1161
00:55:18,550 --> 00:55:16,550
Pennsylvania yes I mean those things and

1162
00:55:20,320 --> 00:55:18,560
we still don't know what we had no idea

1163
00:55:23,020 --> 00:55:20,330
what the are we don't know if they're

1164
00:55:26,980 --> 00:55:23,030
their actual flesh and blood or their

1165
00:55:29,110 --> 00:55:26,990
you know from an alternate reality or

1166
00:55:32,350 --> 00:55:29,120
what they are supernatural or what we

1167
00:55:36,070 --> 00:55:32,360
you know but the thing is these these

1168
00:55:41,470 --> 00:55:36,080
beings do seem to have to have some

1169
00:55:43,480 --> 00:55:41,480
aggressiveness to them you know now no I

1170
00:55:47,140 --> 00:55:43,490
wouldn't we have talked to people who

1171
00:55:51,340 --> 00:55:47,150
swear they have there's too many people

1172
00:55:53,320 --> 00:55:51,350
that seen them yeah well this flats been

1173
00:55:56,020 --> 00:55:53,330
having up here in Impe why here in

1174
00:55:57,880 --> 00:55:56,030
Pennsylvania particularly around the

1175
00:56:00,220 --> 00:55:57,890
central part of the state it's been uh

1176
00:56:03,040 --> 00:56:00,230
it's been fairly interesting the last

1177
00:56:06,130 --> 00:56:03,050
two years old I mean how many sightings

1178
00:56:11,410 --> 00:56:06,140
every gone altogether butch uh twenty

1179
00:56:15,250 --> 00:56:11,420
four butch filed a report with us yeah

1180
00:56:19,720 --> 00:56:15,260
we we used in the book and also mister

1181
00:56:21,760 --> 00:56:19,730
UFOs secret files on a YouTube the

1182
00:56:23,800 --> 00:56:21,770
recent interview that we did with him on

1183
00:56:26,890 --> 00:56:23,810
exploring the bizarre is posted up there

1184
00:56:30,280 --> 00:56:26,900
and thanks to our associate Peter as I

1185
00:56:31,890 --> 00:56:30,290
did some lively illustrations and

1186
00:56:34,210 --> 00:56:31,900
artwork and I think a little video of

1187
00:56:34,420 --> 00:56:34,220
Bigfoot in the swamp or something like

1188
00:56:36,310 --> 00:56:34,430
that

1189
00:56:38,320 --> 00:56:36,320
hey isn't there isn't there a video

1190
00:56:41,140 --> 00:56:38,330
floating on that video but still shots

1191
00:56:43,510 --> 00:56:41,150
floating around of a head of a bigfooter

1192
00:56:47,140 --> 00:56:43,520
or some kind of creature walking through

1193
00:56:49,660 --> 00:56:47,150
a marsh or a swamp that I just saw yeah

1194
00:56:53,710 --> 00:56:49,670
it was warned ago that was done in

1195
00:56:55,180 --> 00:56:53,720
Florida uh I don't know I mean yeah I

1196
00:56:57,040 --> 00:56:55,190
don't know if that was rolling up you

1197
00:56:59,410 --> 00:56:57,050
know there's been so many photos and

1198
00:57:01,060 --> 00:56:59,420
videos it's just you know it's hard to

1199
00:57:01,660 --> 00:57:01,070
tell I think the most interesting one

1200
00:57:04,150 --> 00:57:01,670
I've seen

1201
00:57:08,920 --> 00:57:04,160
lately is the one that was caught on

1202
00:57:10,720 --> 00:57:08,930
that Eagle cam up in maybe Michigan yeah

1203
00:57:16,780 --> 00:57:10,730
Michigan

1204
00:57:22,530 --> 00:57:16,790
this is status stationary Eagle cam

1205
00:57:25,630 --> 00:57:22,540
which is focused on a a bald eagle nest

1206
00:57:27,099 --> 00:57:25,640
well on the side of the other side the

1207
00:57:30,130 --> 00:57:27,109
nest down on the ground they picked

1208
00:57:31,420 --> 00:57:30,140
something walking by now I don't you

1209
00:57:33,160 --> 00:57:31,430
know I don't know if somebody staged

1210
00:57:34,900 --> 00:57:33,170
that or what but it was kind of

1211
00:57:41,309 --> 00:57:34,910
interesting the way this thing walked up

1212
00:57:46,299 --> 00:57:41,319
there and the way it acted well you know

1213
00:57:50,170 --> 00:57:46,309
back in 1975 I think I was one of the

1214
00:57:53,500 --> 00:57:50,180
first to actually investigate the skunk

1215
00:57:55,530 --> 00:57:53,510
man of the Everglades there was a fellow

1216
00:57:58,599 --> 00:57:55,540
down there by the name of Professor

1217
00:58:02,260 --> 00:57:58,609
Osborne who actually had a team of

1218
00:58:05,859 --> 00:58:02,270
investigators and as far as I know well

1219
00:58:08,140 --> 00:58:05,869
anyway this is the first incident that I

1220
00:58:09,700 --> 00:58:08,150
had heard of like I said my main thing

1221
00:58:13,270 --> 00:58:09,710
has been UFOs but I've kind of always

1222
00:58:16,780 --> 00:58:13,280
been into the cryptids to some extent I

1223
00:58:19,480 --> 00:58:16,790
was a friend of the late Ivan T

1224
00:58:23,910 --> 00:58:19,490
Sanderson who wrote the the first book

1225
00:58:26,980 --> 00:58:23,920
on the abominable snowman big 500-pound

1226
00:58:32,220 --> 00:58:26,990
500-page a little a job' there you know

1227
00:58:34,270 --> 00:58:32,230
and and so he had quite a collection of

1228
00:58:36,370 --> 00:58:34,280
plaster of Paris you know the foot

1229
00:58:38,589 --> 00:58:36,380
markings and things like that and he

1230
00:58:40,870 --> 00:58:38,599
used to have a headquarters an

1231
00:58:43,690 --> 00:58:40,880
organization up in Blairstown New Jersey

1232
00:58:46,420 --> 00:58:43,700
and people would pass through and and

1233
00:58:49,450 --> 00:58:46,430
and look at his material and sit there

1234
00:58:52,030 --> 00:58:49,460
and discuss it with him and he was well

1235
00:58:55,690 --> 00:58:52,040
known in the I guess on TV in those days

1236
00:58:57,819 --> 00:58:55,700
too he was a collector or a caretaker of

1237
00:58:59,289 --> 00:58:57,829
exotic animals you know he had traveled

1238
00:59:02,500 --> 00:58:59,299
all over the world and stuff like that

1239
00:59:05,950 --> 00:59:02,510
and I guess he was the fellow too you've

1240
00:59:08,440 --> 00:59:05,960
probably all heard about the the Bigfoot

1241
00:59:14,289 --> 00:59:08,450
suppose a Bigfoot creature in the and

1242
00:59:16,779 --> 00:59:14,299
the big block of ice yeah yeah

1243
00:59:18,729 --> 00:59:16,789
he was the one that first bought this to

1244
00:59:23,559 --> 00:59:18,739
the public's attention in Argosy

1245
00:59:24,989 --> 00:59:23,569
magazine and did a report on it and of

1246
00:59:28,029 --> 00:59:24,999
course that's always been a

1247
00:59:31,809 --> 00:59:28,039
controversial case because some people

1248
00:59:35,199 --> 00:59:31,819
say well the iceman existed and then he

1249
00:59:37,989 --> 00:59:35,209
was later swapped for a non-existent or

1250
00:59:42,249 --> 00:59:37,999
a dummy or you know a model or a

1251
00:59:43,870 --> 00:59:42,259
Hollywood the prop of the IceMen I don't

1252
00:59:45,759 --> 00:59:43,880
know I guess there's a different opinion

1253
00:59:49,259 --> 00:59:45,769
on that I suppose everybody has their

1254
00:59:51,819 --> 00:59:49,269
has their own welcome and not and

1255
00:59:54,719 --> 00:59:51,829
Claudia won't you tell tell us where

1256
00:59:58,719 --> 00:59:54,729
people can get in contact with you and

1257
01:00:02,289 --> 00:59:58,729
when they can buy your books it well I I

1258
01:00:05,140 --> 01:00:02,299
am in him it's kind enough to put my

1259
01:00:07,509 --> 01:00:05,150
stories in his book but so the latest

1260
01:00:10,359 --> 01:00:07,519
cryptid book that criminal that Tim

1261
01:00:14,370 --> 01:00:10,369
mentioned I mean had in a couple of men

1262
01:00:18,069 --> 01:00:14,380
and black books Jim what is the one that

1263
01:00:20,829 --> 01:00:18,079
oh let me see well there's the curse of

1264
01:00:22,929 --> 01:00:20,839
the men in black I've done two books on

1265
01:00:25,739 --> 01:00:22,939
the men in black one was the UFO

1266
01:00:28,469 --> 01:00:25,749
silencers which was goes back to the

1267
01:00:31,809 --> 01:00:28,479
1970s and the curse of the men in black

1268
01:00:35,559 --> 01:00:31,819
our publishing company has about 250

1269
01:00:37,479 --> 01:00:35,569
titles and it covers everything you know

1270
01:00:40,390 --> 01:00:37,489
in the paranormal new-age alternative

1271
01:00:44,739 --> 01:00:40,400
press if people would like to keep up to

1272
01:00:47,919 --> 01:00:44,749
date if you send me an email at mr. UFO

1273
01:00:48,910 --> 01:00:47,929
M our UFO eight the number eight at

1274
01:00:52,269 --> 01:00:48,920
hotmail.com

1275
01:00:55,359 --> 01:00:52,279
I will put you on our mailing list send

1276
01:00:58,479 --> 01:00:55,369
you our free magazine we actually print

1277
01:01:00,819 --> 01:00:58,489
the publication conspiracy journal

1278
01:01:02,380 --> 01:01:00,829
bizarre bizarre or you could just google

1279
01:01:04,959 --> 01:01:02,390
me I mean that's you know like there's

1280
01:01:07,599 --> 01:01:04,969
enough stuff to keep you busy for for a

1281
01:01:09,579 --> 01:01:07,609
hundred years Tim Buckley or Timothy

1282
01:01:13,209 --> 01:01:09,589
Beckley you got my own page on Amazon

1283
01:01:16,569 --> 01:01:13,219
and you know I'm semi-retired but I

1284
01:01:18,309 --> 01:01:16,579
still did for new books a month and I

1285
01:01:21,309 --> 01:01:18,319
was in a couple of books by Nick Redfern

1286
01:01:25,120 --> 01:01:21,319
oh that's right yeah Nick has got a wig

1287
01:01:26,589 --> 01:01:25,130
out later women and black yeah we're

1288
01:01:27,610 --> 01:01:26,599
gonna have more than a week again

1289
01:01:30,700 --> 01:01:27,620
well I have

1290
01:01:35,530 --> 01:01:30,710
come on exploring the bazaar with this

1291
01:01:37,000 --> 01:01:35,540
gal Kate Elizabeth who is the champion

1292
01:01:40,570 --> 01:01:37,010
of a chimp

1293
01:01:44,140 --> 01:01:40,580
from Lake Champlain he had a very very

1294
01:01:45,670 --> 01:01:44,150
well I mean good friends well she she

1295
01:01:47,770 --> 01:01:45,680
was just on my program and made an

1296
01:01:50,530 --> 01:01:47,780
excellent presentation so I thought I

1297
01:01:53,230 --> 01:01:50,540
would have them on since she believes in

1298
01:01:55,600 --> 01:01:53,240
the physical existence of the of the

1299
01:01:57,820 --> 01:01:55,610
creatures and and Nick is more of a

1300
01:02:00,100 --> 01:01:57,830
supernatural type of guy and I thought

1301
01:02:01,870 --> 01:02:00,110
well we like to keep it just like you

1302
01:02:05,140 --> 01:02:01,880
guys do keep the ball rolling for an

1303
01:02:08,970 --> 01:02:05,150
hour or or or two no dead air unless

1304
01:02:14,290 --> 01:02:08,980
Skype interferes absolutely

1305
01:02:17,020 --> 01:02:14,300
well we like to have you come back a

1306
01:02:18,700 --> 01:02:17,030
good hot the program going here and we

1307
01:02:31,870 --> 01:02:18,710
know that Bigfoot is Alyssa they get